How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
“When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because they left me to rot," as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..” http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-...
Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts" http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher than normal cancer risk by survivors.
“..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from the Nazis. Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face another peril decades after the war. "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study authors….” http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a diversity issue to consider.
Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced significant change in the past century, it appears men are still cannon fodder.
> How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > they left me to rot," as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a > manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the > layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..”http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-...
> Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > the Nazis. > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > another peril decades after the war. > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > diversity issue to consider.
> Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > cannon fodder.
== Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this perpetual public whine. ==
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
>Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this >perpetual public whine.
you're obviously a useless loser... would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
'emptyidiot' would be a good example
-- web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick. good people do nothing [] trust actions not words only when it's funny -- roger rabbit --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
> >Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you > >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this > >perpetual public whine.
> you're obviously a useless loser... > would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
> 'emptyidiot' would be a good example
> -- > web site atwww.abelard.org- news comment service, logic, economics > energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry > the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick. > good people do nothing [] trust actions not words > only when it's funny -- roger rabbit > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
For Khrist sake, shut your stupid pie hole...you are still an idiot. ==
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:03:26 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 7, 11:53 am, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
>> >Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you >> >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this >> >perpetual public whine.
>> you're obviously a useless loser... >> would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
>> 'emptyidiot' would be a good example >For Khrist sake, shut your stupid pie hole...you are still an idiot.
you forgot to change your nym and you can't handle your posting software
-- web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick. good people do nothing [] trust actions not words only when it's funny -- roger rabbit --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:03:26 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >On Nov 7, 11:53 am, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote: > >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
> >> >Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you > >> >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this > >> >perpetual public whine.
> >> you're obviously a useless loser... > >> would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
> >> 'emptyidiot' would be a good example > >For Khrist sake, shut your stupid pie hole...you are still an idiot.
> you forgot to change your nym > and you can't handle your posting software
> -- > web site atwww.abelard.org- news comment service, logic, economics > energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry > the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick. > good people do nothing [] trust actions not words > only when it's funny -- roger rabbit > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
>On Nov 7, 12:07 pm, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:03:26 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> >> wrote:
>> >On Nov 7, 11:53 am, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you >> >> >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this >> >> >perpetual public whine.
>> >> you're obviously a useless loser... >> >> would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
>> >> 'emptyidiot' would be a good example >> >For Khrist sake, shut your stupid pie hole...you are still an idiot.
>> you forgot to change your nym >> and you can't handle your posting software >"Handle", WTF are you yattering about now?
you are an obvious loser... the last thing i will do is interfere with your natural state
you earned and fully deserve your status
-- web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick. good people do nothing [] trust actions not words only when it's funny -- roger rabbit --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > they left me to rot,"
The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put them on.
> Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > the Nazis. > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > another peril decades after the war. > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > diversity issue to consider.
> Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > cannon fodder.
> On Nov 7, 11:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > they left me to rot," as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a > > manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the > > layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..”http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-...
> > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > the Nazis. > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > another peril decades after the war. > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > diversity issue to consider.
> > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > cannon fodder.
> == > Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you > little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this > perpetual public whine. > ==- Hide quoted text -
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Let me see if I’ve got this straight. You personally relate and empathize with the post but rather than support the view of its content, you choose antagonism as a more effective means of addressing the problems. Ok, I’ve got it. Thanks.
> On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > they left me to rot,"
> The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > them on.
> > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > the Nazis. > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > another peril decades after the war. > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > diversity issue to consider.
> > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
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== Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social agencies? Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- hate and failure.
Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in general.
On Nov 7, 1:40 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is certainly enough to make men question the > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > cannon fodder.
Maybe even for themselves, too (like with mistakes or impatience). Mass murder is tough to prevent.
Since 2001, the soldiers in recent years who've mass murdered fellow soldiers are not the only examples. Former American Military or Air Line Pilots have also committed suicide by crashing and taking the passengers with them. Look at USAir Flight 427, United Airlines Flight 585.
> On Nov 7, 12:37 pm, Masculist <mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > > they left me to rot,"
> > The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > > them on.
> > > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > > the Nazis. > > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > > another peril decades after the war. > > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > > diversity issue to consider.
> > > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> == > Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the > audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him > around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool > for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social > agencies? > Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- > hate and failure.
> Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and > dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his > problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in > general.
I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.
> On Nov 7, 3:01 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 12:37 pm, Masculist <mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > > > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > > > they left me to rot,"
> > > The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > > > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > > > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > > > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > > > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > > > them on.
> > > > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > > > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > > > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > > > the Nazis. > > > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > > > another peril decades after the war. > > > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > > > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > > > diversity issue to consider.
> > > > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > > > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > == > > Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the > > audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him > > around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool > > for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social > > agencies? > > Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- > > hate and failure.
> > Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and > > dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his > > problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in > > general.
> I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look > for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all > be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due > solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
With all of the time wasted on this NG, you could have solved your problems by now if you had any gumption. ==
> On Nov 7, 6:56 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 3:01 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 12:37 pm, Masculist <mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > > > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > > > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > > > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > > > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > > > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > > > > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > > > > they left me to rot,"
> > > > The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > > > > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > > > > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > > > > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > > > > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > > > > them on.
> > > > > “..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am > > > > > blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent > > > > > that he could not always keep to himself…”http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0e...
> > > > > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > > > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > > > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > > > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > > > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > > > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > > > > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > > > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > > > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > > > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > > > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > > > > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > > > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > > > > the Nazis. > > > > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > > > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > > > > another peril decades after the war. > > > > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > > > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > > > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > > > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > > > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > > > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > > > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > > > > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > > > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > > > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > > > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > > > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > > > > diversity issue to consider.
> > > > > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > > > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > > > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > > > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > > > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > > > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > > > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > > > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > > > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > > > > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > > > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > > > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > == > > > Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the > > > audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him > > > around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool > > > for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social > > > agencies? > > > Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- > > > hate and failure.
> > > Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and > > > dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his > > > problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in > > > general.
> > I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look > > for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all > > be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due > > solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> With all of the time wasted on this NG, you could have solved your > problems by now if you had any gumption.
Lack of gumption? Great. That should be easy to correct. Lord knows it can't be anything else that explains a global disparity of wealth. lol
“…Kerry was a preschool teacher until a year ago, when her world caved in. "I got sick," she told me. "Ulcerative colitis. Ended up losing my job, and ended up here. Ran out of health insurance and money and this is what happened." John, a shy young man who used to work as a barber, told a rambling story about bad breaks, crooked employers and jobs that didn’t pan out. Now he passes the time playing with two pigeons he rescued and tamed as pets..” http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/10/200910192055304223...
> On Nov 7, 9:22 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 6:56 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 3:01 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 12:37 pm,Masculist<mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > > > > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > > > > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > > > > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > > > > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > > > > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > > > > > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > > > > > they left me to rot,"
> > > > > The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > > > > > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > > > > > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > > > > > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > > > > > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > > > > > them on.
> > > > > > “..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am > > > > > > blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent > > > > > > that he could not always keep to himself…”http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0e...
> > > > > > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > > > > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > > > > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > > > > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > > > > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > > > > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > > > > > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > > > > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > > > > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > > > > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > > > > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > > > > > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > > > > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > > > > > the Nazis. > > > > > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > > > > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > > > > > another peril decades after the war. > > > > > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > > > > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > > > > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > > > > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > > > > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > > > > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > > > > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > > > > > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > > > > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > > > > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > > > > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > > > > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > > > > > diversity issue to consider.
> > > > > > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > > > > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > > > > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > > > > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > > > > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > > > > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > > > > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > > > > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > > > > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > > > > > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > > > > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > > > > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > == > > > > Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the > > > > audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him > > > > around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool > > > > for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social > > > > agencies? > > > > Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- > > > > hate and failure.
> > > > Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and > > > > dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his > > > > problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in > > > > general.
> > > I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look > > > for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all > > > be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due > > > solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.- Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > With all of the time wasted on this NG, you could have solved your > > problems by now if you had any gumption.
> Lack of gumption? Great. That should be easy to correct. Lord knows it > can't be anything else that explains a global disparity of wealth. lol
> “…Kerry was a preschool teacher until a year ago, when her world caved > in. "I got sick," she told me. "Ulcerative colitis. Ended up losing my > job, and ended up here. Ran out of health insurance and money and this > is what happened." > John, a shy young man who used to work as a barber, told a rambling > story about bad breaks, crooked employers and jobs that didn’t pan > out. Now he passes the time playing with two pigeons he rescued and > tamed as pets..”http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/10/200910192055304223... Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
bullshit
i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control this nation, under coercion by the government
those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did that for decades and they still got trampled
no, Roy, the old Be A Man gambit aint cutting it no mo
> On Nov 7, 8:13 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 9:22 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 6:56 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 3:01 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 7, 12:37 pm,Masculist<mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > > > > > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > > > > > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > > > > > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > > > > > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > > > > > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > > > > > > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > > > > > > they left me to rot,"
> > > > > > The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > > > > > > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > > > > > > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > > > > > > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > > > > > > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > > > > > > them on.
> > > > > > Good article Moderator.
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a > > > > > > > manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the > > > > > > > layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..”http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-...
> > > > > > > “..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am > > > > > > > blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent > > > > > > > that he could not always keep to himself…”http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0e...
> > > > > > > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > > > > > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > > > > > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > > > > > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > > > > > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > > > > > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > > > > > > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > > > > > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > > > > > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > > > > > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > > > > > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > > > > > > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > > > > > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > > > > > > the Nazis. > > > > > > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > > > > > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > > > > > > another peril decades after the war. > > > > > > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > > > > > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > > > > > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > > > > > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > > > > > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > > > > > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > > > > > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > > > > > > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > > > > > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > > > > > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > > > > > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > > > > > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > > > > > > diversity issue to consider.
> > > > > > > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > > > > > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > > > > > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > > > > > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > > > > > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > > > > > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > > > > > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > > > > > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > > > > > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > > > > > > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > > > > > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > > > > > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > == > > > > > Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the > > > > > audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him > > > > > around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool > > > > > for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social > > > > > agencies? > > > > > Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- > > > > > hate and failure.
> > > > > Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and > > > > > dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his > > > > > problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in > > > > > general.
> > > > I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look > > > > for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all > > > > be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due > > > > solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > With all of the time wasted on this NG, you could have solved your > > > problems by now if you had any gumption.
> > Lack of gumption? Great. That should be easy to correct. Lord knows it > > can't be anything else that explains a global disparity of wealth. lol
> > “…Kerry was a preschool teacher until a year ago, when her world caved > > in. "I got sick," she told me. "Ulcerative colitis. Ended up losing my > > job, and ended up here. Ran out of health insurance and money and this > > is what happened." > > John, a shy young man who used to work as a barber, told a rambling > > story about bad breaks, crooked employers and jobs that didn’t pan > > out. Now he passes the time playing with two pigeons he rescued and > > tamed as pets..”http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/10/200910192055304223... quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
> yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
> trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the > system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them > in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
> those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the > millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of > grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
> bullshit
> i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i > saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and > everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted > females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control > this nation, under coercion by the government
> those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did > that for decades and they still got trampled
> no, Roy, the old Be A Man gambit aint cutting it no mo- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
== Mark Lepine thought much like you do...then he went out and killed 14 female engineering students who were "competing" with him. That solved the problem, didn't it?
> On Nov 7, 8:13 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 9:22 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 6:56 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 3:01 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 7, 12:37 pm,Masculist<mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > > > > > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > > > > > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > > > > > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > > > > > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > > > > > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > > > > > > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > > > > > > they left me to rot,"
> > > > > > The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > > > > > > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > > > > > > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > > > > > > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > > > > > > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > > > > > > them on.
> > > > > > Good article Moderator.
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a > > > > > > > manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the > > > > > > > layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..”http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-...
> > > > > > > “..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am > > > > > > > blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent > > > > > > > that he could not always keep to himself…”http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0e...
> > > > > > > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > > > > > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > > > > > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > > > > > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > > > > > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > > > > > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > > > > > > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > > > > > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > > > > > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > > > > > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > > > > > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > > > > > > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > > > > > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > > > > > > the Nazis. > > > > > > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > > > > > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > > > > > > another peril decades after the war. > > > > > > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > > > > > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > > > > > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > > > > > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > > > > > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > > > > > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > > > > > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > > > > > > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > > > > > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > > > > > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > > > > > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > > > > > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > > > > > > diversity issue to consider.
> > > > > > > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > > > > > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > > > > > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > > > > > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > > > > > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > > > > > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > > > > > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > > > > > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > > > > > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > > > > > > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > > > > > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > > > > > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > == > > > > > Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the > > > > > audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him > > > > > around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool > > > > > for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social > > > > > agencies? > > > > > Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- > > > > > hate and failure.
> > > > > Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and > > > > > dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his > > > > > problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in > > > > > general.
> > > > I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look > > > > for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all > > > > be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due > > > > solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > With all of the time wasted on this NG, you could have solved your > > > problems by now if you had any gumption.
> > Lack of gumption? Great. That should be easy to correct. Lord knows it > > can't be anything else that explains a global disparity of wealth. lol
> > “…Kerry was a preschool teacher until a year ago, when her world caved > > in. "I got sick," she told me. "Ulcerative colitis. Ended up losing my > > job, and ended up here. Ran out of health insurance and money and this > > is what happened." > > John, a shy young man who used to work as a barber, told a rambling > > story about bad breaks, crooked employers and jobs that didn’t pan > > out. Now he passes the time playing with two pigeons he rescued and > > tamed as pets..”http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/10/200910192055304223... quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
> yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
> trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the > system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them > in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
> those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the > millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of > grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
> bullshit
> i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i > saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and > everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted > females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control > this nation, under coercion by the government
> those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did > that for decades and they still got trampled
> no, Roy, the old Be A Man gambit aint cutting it no mo
That's tellin him ray! Fortunately there aren't many Roy's around anymore and the ones who are around are working for and benfitting from feminism. Everyone spots the assholes nowadays and come the revolution....see if your master feminists can save you then Roy.
> On Nov 9, 11:24 am, retardsman <remarks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 8:13 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 9:22 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 6:56 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 7, 3:01 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 7, 12:37 pm,Masculist<mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > > > > > > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > > > > > > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > > > > > > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > > > > > > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > > > > > > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > > > > > > > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > > > > > > > they left me to rot,"
> > > > > > > The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > > > > > > > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > > > > > > > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > > > > > > > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > > > > > > > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > > > > > > > them on.
> > > > > > > Good article Moderator.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a > > > > > > > > manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the > > > > > > > > layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..”http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-...
> > > > > > > > “..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am > > > > > > > > blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent > > > > > > > > that he could not always keep to himself…”http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0e...
> > > > > > > > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > > > > > > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > > > > > > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > > > > > > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > > > > > > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > > > > > > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > > > > > > > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > > > > > > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > > > > > > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > > > > > > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > > > > > > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > > > > > > > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > > > > > > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > > > > > > > the Nazis. > > > > > > > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > > > > > > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > > > > > > > another peril decades after the war. > > > > > > > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > > > > > > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > > > > > > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > > > > > > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > > > > > > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > > > > > > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > > > > > > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > > > > > > > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > > > > > > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > > > > > > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > > > > > > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > > > > > > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > > > > > > > diversity issue to consider.
> > > > > > > > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > > > > > > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > > > > > > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > > > > > > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > > > > > > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > > > > > > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > > > > > > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > > > > > > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > > > > > > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > > > > > > > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > > > > > > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > > > > > > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > == > > > > > > Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the > > > > > > audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him > > > > > > around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool > > > > > > for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social > > > > > > agencies? > > > > > > Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- > > > > > > hate and failure.
> > > > > > Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and > > > > > > dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his > > > > > > problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in > > > > > > general.
> > > > > I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look > > > > > for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all > > > > > be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due > > > > > solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > With all of the time wasted on this NG, you could have solved your > > > > problems by now if you had any gumption.
> > > Lack of gumption? Great. That should be easy to correct. Lord knows it > > > can't be anything else that explains a global disparity of wealth. lol
> > > “…Kerry was a preschool teacher until a year ago, when her world caved > > > in. "I got sick," she told me. "Ulcerative colitis. Ended up losing my > > > job, and ended up here. Ran out of health insurance and money and this > > > is what happened." > > > John, a shy young man who used to work as a barber, told a rambling > > > story about bad breaks, crooked employers and jobs that didn’t pan > > > out. Now he passes the time playing with two pigeons he rescued and > > > tamed as pets..”http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/10/200910192055304223... text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
> > yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
> > trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the > > system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them > > in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
> > those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the > > millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of > > grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
> > bullshit
> > i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i > > saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and > > everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted > > females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control > > this nation, under coercion by the government
> > those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did > > that for decades and they still got trampled
> > no, Roy, the old Be A Man gambit aint cutting it no mo
> That's tellin him ray! Fortunately there aren't many Roy's around > anymore and the ones who are around are working for and benfitting > from feminism. Everyone spots the assholes nowadays and come the > revolution....see if your master feminists can save you then Roy.
> On Nov 9, 1:26 pm, Masculist <mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 11:24 am, retardsman <remarks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 8:13 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 9:22 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 7, 6:56 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 7, 3:01 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 7, 12:37 pm,Masculist<mascul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 10:40 am, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > > > > > > > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > > > > > > > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > > > > > > > > continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine > > > > > > > > > sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
> > > > > > > > > “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because > > > > > > > > > they left me to rot,"
> > > > > > > > The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling > > > > > > > > "Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as > > > > > > > > demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem > > > > > > > > and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They > > > > > > > > Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put > > > > > > > > them on.
> > > > > > > > Good article Moderator.
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a > > > > > > > > > manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the > > > > > > > > > layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..”http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-...
> > > > > > > > > “..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am > > > > > > > > > blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent > > > > > > > > > that he could not always keep to himself…”http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0e...
> > > > > > > > > Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly > > > > > > > > > bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims. > > > > > > > > > President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef > > > > > > > > > and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the > > > > > > > > > military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would > > > > > > > > > caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
> > > > > > > > > As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for > > > > > > > > > another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which > > > > > > > > > was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet > > > > > > > > > another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher > > > > > > > > > than normal cancer risk by survivors.
> > > > > > > > > “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her > > > > > > > > > family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from > > > > > > > > > the Nazis. > > > > > > > > > Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near- > > > > > > > > > death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face > > > > > > > > > another peril decades after the war. > > > > > > > > > "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to > > > > > > > > > the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in > > > > > > > > > life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the > > > > > > > > > November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. > > > > > > > > > Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long- > > > > > > > > > term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study > > > > > > > > > authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
> > > > > > > > > Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of > > > > > > > > > people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or > > > > > > > > > acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time > > > > > > > > > and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people > > > > > > > > > during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a > > > > > > > > > diversity issue to consider.
> > > > > > > > > Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about > > > > > > > > > their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships > > > > > > > > > brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective > > > > > > > > > these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is > > > > > > > > > surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden > > > > > > > > > and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to > > > > > > > > > address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the > > > > > > > > > nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the > > > > > > > > > words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
> > > > > > > > > Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced > > > > > > > > > significant change in the past century, it appears men are still > > > > > > > > > cannon fodder.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > > == > > > > > > > Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the > > > > > > > audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him > > > > > > > around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool > > > > > > > for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social > > > > > > > agencies? > > > > > > > Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self- > > > > > > > hate and failure.
> > > > > > > Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and > > > > > > > dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his > > > > > > > problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in > > > > > > > general.
> > > > > > I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look > > > > > > for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all > > > > > > be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due > > > > > > solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > With all of the time wasted on this NG, you could have solved your > > > > > problems by now if you had any gumption.
> > > > Lack of gumption? Great. That should be easy to correct. Lord knows it > > > > can't be anything else that explains a global disparity of wealth. lol
> > > > “…Kerry was a preschool teacher until a year ago, when her world caved > > > > in. "I got sick," she told me. "Ulcerative colitis. Ended up losing my > > > > job, and ended up here. Ran out of health insurance and money and this > > > > is what happened." > > > > John, a shy young man who used to work as a barber, told a rambling > > > > story about bad breaks, crooked employers and jobs that didn’t pan > > > > out. Now he passes the time playing with two pigeons he rescued and > > > > tamed as pets..”http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/10/200910192055304223... -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
> > > yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
> > > trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the > > > system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them > > > in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
> > > those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the > > > millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of > > > grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
> > > bullshit
> > > i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i > > > saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and > > > everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted > > > females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control > > > this nation, under coercion by the government
> > > those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did > > > that for decades and they still got trampled
> > > no, Roy, the old Be A Man gambit aint cutting it no mo
> > That's tellin him ray! Fortunately there aren't many Roy's around > > anymore and the ones who are around are working for and benfitting > > from feminism. Everyone spots the assholes nowadays and come the > > revolution....see if your master feminists can save you then Roy.
> > Tom- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> thats telling him tom! ;O)
> sigh
> only 300 million left to go........
At least when they see me coming they shut their pieholes <smile>, well, except for a few dummies like Roy.
Moderator wrote: > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > continue).
Robt Kaplan, "Imperial Grunts" notes half the Green Berets grew up on family farms. This is but 1% of the total population providing 50% of the nation's most competent soldiers. You'd think the Pentagon would notice. Or at least read military history, going all the way back to the Romans, who realized soldiers who grew up in the city were not nearly as emotionally stable and reliable as the farm boys.
I could, and often have, go on about why this is so. But we are where we are, and its only going to get worse. The number of cops who flip out is going up as well. Part of the reason we call it 'going postal' is the rigid power structures the military, police, and postal service have, and how that attracts psyches that need draconian control, but also better case management.
But there's not enuf case managers. Corporations pay them much more to do personnel selection and management.
It would help to not send Christian soldiers into a Muslim culture. Islam has been fighting Christianity for 1200 years, and they know how to do it. It is secularists they are really afraid of, who will not martyr them, but put them on meds to send home to their mommas where they will be good boys.
Day wrote: > Moderator wrote: >> How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many >> here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a >> shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would >> continue).
> Robt Kaplan, "Imperial Grunts" notes half the Green Berets grew up on > family farms. This is but 1% of the total population providing 50% of > the nation's most competent soldiers. You'd think the Pentagon would > notice. Or at least read military history, going all the way back to the > Romans, who realized soldiers who grew up in the city were not nearly as > emotionally stable and reliable as the farm boys.
> I could, and often have, go on about why this is so. But we are where we > are, and its only going to get worse. The number of cops who flip out is > going up as well. Part of the reason we call it 'going postal' is the > rigid power structures the military, police, and postal service have, > and how that attracts psyches that need draconian control, but also > better case management.
> But there's not enuf case managers. Corporations pay them much more to > do personnel selection and management.
> It would help to not send Christian soldiers into a Muslim culture. > Islam has been fighting Christianity for 1200 years, and they know how > to do it. It is secularists they are really afraid of, who will not > martyr them, but put them on meds to send home to their mommas where > they will be good boys.
> Moderator wrote: > > How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many > > here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a > > shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would > > continue).
> Robt Kaplan, "Imperial Grunts" notes half the Green Berets grew up on > family farms. This is but 1% of the total population providing 50% of > the nation's most competent soldiers. You'd think the Pentagon would > notice. Or at least read military history, going all the way back to the > Romans, who realized soldiers who grew up in the city were not nearly as > emotionally stable and reliable as the farm boys.
> I could, and often have, go on about why this is so. But we are where we > are, and its only going to get worse. The number of cops who flip out is > going up as well. Part of the reason we call it 'going postal' is the > rigid power structures the military, police, and postal service have, > and how that attracts psyches that need draconian control, but also > better case management.
> But there's not enuf case managers. Corporations pay them much more to > do personnel selection and management.
> It would help to not send Christian soldiers into a Muslim culture. > Islam has been fighting Christianity for 1200 years, and they know how > to do it. It is secularists they are really afraid of, who will not > martyr them, but put them on meds to send home to their mommas where > they will be good boys.
I'm thinking that UK (only) is a multi cultural civilization anyways. USA use English language? American English and USA English are slighly diffrent. The Politics are so diffrent. USA is closer to South America politically that to Middle East. Subjects and history will be debated as is? but we all have the right to thrive non the less?
UK is a very small place, and I suppose the attitude is that the Brits cant afford to bring small debates into language that are really smaller and very intense?
National service is voluntary in UK as necessary, and I just cant see we just can't afford to lose.
There aught to be some stablity in the US that can be a touch point for every person in their land.
The Holy Bible has an old testament and a New one. Jesus is in the New testament?
In the UK there are also old lores regards deformation and privacy, regards the rights of people and settlements in the lands. We respect (or have had a respectful view of the united 'settlements over several thousands of years)
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