>> > Write and publish a diet book for Scientologists and ex-Scientologists >> > based upon your knowledge and experience of how Scientology encourages >> > obesity and how to not fall into the trap and how to get out of the >> > trap >> > if you've already fallen into it.
>> > You could embellish it with several "undoing's" of Scientology tech and >> > doings.
>> > Diet books sell like crazy.
>> hmmmmmmmm....I just may. Thanks.
>> T
> Need any help, let me know. What you'd have over all those others is > you're funny and can laugh at it all.
Ok, I'm letting you know: How do I get in touch with you? You've got my number. Let me know yours, ok? You can e-mail it to me, if ya want to keep it private. mago...@charter.net Thanks, Tory/Magoo
> Hubbard pretty well projected his own situation on his health > pronouncements for others. > Consider that he was a chain smoker all his adult life. That's an > addiction that tends to keep weight down. Ditto for the amphetamines > he used. Yet he steadily gained weight as he aged. All those rum 'n' > Coke calories might have had something to do with it.
I don't think he ever really paid much attention to health. I think he was very self indulgent.
> He did have a "high survival dynamic," considering how extensively he > abused his body before he croaked.
This could be said of a lot of people, junkies, alkies, and so on.
> But I don't think he could ever > confront practicing the restraint needed to achieve a healthy > lifestyle.
I don't think so, either.
>Back in the 1970s, he became an admirer of Adelle Davis (one of his > few attributions) and endorsed her advice that megadoses of vitamins > could fix lots of ailments.
Yep, did know about that. He did say she had a big hole in her books...can't remember now what that was supposed to be.
> That may be part of the reason so many > fringe alternative health practitioners -- Naturorpaths, > Kinesiologists, Chiropractors and so on -- are Scientologists. Later, > he "researched" and released the bogus and potentially dangerous > Purification Rundown (see the medical and pharmacy malpractice > convictions in the recent French trial).
Sure.
> Yet for RPFers and downstat Sea Org members, he prescribed the rice > 'n' beans diet, a sure prescription for malnutrition unless it > includes some veggies and a salad on the side, which I strongly doubt. > Oh, and for babies, barley water instead of breast milk.
I remember seeing a reference or two that said that was good for kids, yes. I don't recall his saying it was better than breast milk but it's been a while since I saw that reference.
The rice and beans diet has the advantage in that it's cheap. Don't you know that slaves of an uncaring juggernaut have to be fed cheap- and not well? LOL!
> Even today, most Scientology staff members (like most other mentally > ill people) smoke cigarettes because LRH did and said the "nicotinic > acid" in tobacco prevents cancer.
What I saw was that as society started encouraging people to stop smoking, I saw less and less staff and public in cofS smoke. My opinion was that the ratio of smokers to non smokers there was probably almost the same as it was outside CofS and scn.
> Just about everything he said about health was a lie.
Well, there's the pep bulletin but it's pretty vague.
> Well, maybe > there were a few borrowed half-truths about psychosomatic illness in > Dianetics. But it was all downhill from there.
I kind of like what he has to say about those things but they are not a substitute for care of one's body. People in the church justify backburnering or even just not implenting care of one's health, they're suspicious of doctors and so on and they're prone to quack remedies like super blue green algae (my brother in law, a non Scn'ist, but a cultie member of The Farm commune was also into that). I do see some FZers getting into some of that, but not as a substitute for nutrition, more as an adjunct. I think there's too much conspiracy "what the medical establishment is hiding from you" think amongst all sorts of Scn'ists, church and FZ alike, personally.
> > Hubbard pretty well projected his own situation on his health > > pronouncements for others. > > Consider that he was a chain smoker all his adult life. That's an > > addiction that tends to keep weight down. Ditto for the amphetamines > > he used. Yet he steadily gained weight as he aged. All those rum 'n' > > Coke calories might have had something to do with it.
> I don't think he ever really paid much attention to health. I think he was > very self indulgent.
> > He did have a "high survival dynamic," considering how extensively he > > abused his body before he croaked.
> This could be said of a lot of people, junkies, alkies, and so on.
> > But I don't think he could ever > > confront practicing the restraint needed to achieve a healthy > > lifestyle.
> I don't think so, either.
> >Back in the 1970s, he became an admirer of Adelle Davis (one of his > > few attributions) and endorsed her advice that megadoses of vitamins > > could fix lots of ailments.
> Yep, did know about that. He did say she had a big hole in her books...can't > remember now what that was supposed to be.
> > That may be part of the reason so many > > fringe alternative health practitioners -- Naturorpaths, > > Kinesiologists, Chiropractors and so on -- are Scientologists. Later, > > he "researched" and released the bogus and potentially dangerous > > Purification Rundown (see the medical and pharmacy malpractice > > convictions in the recent French trial).
> Sure.
> > Yet for RPFers and downstat Sea Org members, he prescribed the rice > > 'n' beans diet, a sure prescription for malnutrition unless it > > includes some veggies and a salad on the side, which I strongly doubt. > > Oh, and for babies, barley water instead of breast milk.
> I remember seeing a reference or two that said that was good for kids, yes. > I don't recall his saying it was better than breast milk but it's been a > while since I saw that reference.
> The rice and beans diet has the advantage in that it's cheap. Don't you know > that slaves of an uncaring juggernaut have to be fed cheap- and not well? > LOL!
> > Even today, most Scientology staff members (like most other mentally > > ill people) smoke cigarettes because LRH did and said the "nicotinic > > acid" in tobacco prevents cancer.
> What I saw was that as society started encouraging people to stop smoking, I > saw less and less staff and public in cofS smoke. My opinion was that the > ratio of smokers to non smokers there was probably almost the same as it was > outside CofS and scn.
> > Just about everything he said about health was a lie.
> Well, there's the pep bulletin but it's pretty vague.
> > Well, maybe > > there were a few borrowed half-truths about psychosomatic illness in > > Dianetics. But it was all downhill from there.
> I kind of like what he has to say about those things but they are not a > substitute for care of one's body. People in the church justify > backburnering or even just not implenting care of one's health, they're > suspicious of doctors and so on and they're prone to quack remedies like > super blue green algae (my brother in law, a non Scn'ist, but a cultie > member of The Farm commune was also into that). I do see some FZers getting > into some of that, but not as a substitute for nutrition, more as an > adjunct. I think there's too much conspiracy "what the medical establishment > is hiding from you" think amongst all sorts of Scn'ists, church and FZ > alike, personally.
> C
OMG , smoking as a chimney is not any better .... ALL your family is freaks
> >> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message > >>news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... > >> > Have you ever asked yourself that? > >> > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > >> > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> >> Who's Kristy Alley?
> >> C
> > Actually, that's Krispy Alley - it's where Kirstie buys all her food.
> That is very funny, actually. You should hear John the Wonderhusband on the > subject of OTs like Kirstie who get fat...
> > Hubbard pretty well projected his own situation on his health > > pronouncements for others. > > Consider that he was a chain smoker all his adult life. That's an > > addiction that tends to keep weight down. Ditto for the amphetamines > > he used. Yet he steadily gained weight as he aged. All those rum 'n' > > Coke calories might have had something to do with it.
> I don't think he ever really paid much attention to health. I think he was > very self indulgent.
> > He did have a "high survival dynamic," considering how extensively he > > abused his body before he croaked.
> This could be said of a lot of people, junkies, alkies, and so on.
> > But I don't think he could ever > > confront practicing the restraint needed to achieve a healthy > > lifestyle.
> I don't think so, either.
> >Back in the 1970s, he became an admirer of Adelle Davis (one of his > > few attributions) and endorsed her advice that megadoses of vitamins > > could fix lots of ailments.
> Yep, did know about that. He did say she had a big hole in her books...can't > remember now what that was supposed to be.
> > That may be part of the reason so many > > fringe alternative health practitioners -- Naturorpaths, > > Kinesiologists, Chiropractors and so on -- are Scientologists. Later, > > he "researched" and released the bogus and potentially dangerous > > Purification Rundown (see the medical and pharmacy malpractice > > convictions in the recent French trial).
> Sure.
> > Yet for RPFers and downstat Sea Org members, he prescribed the rice > > 'n' beans diet, a sure prescription for malnutrition unless it > > includes some veggies and a salad on the side, which I strongly doubt. > > Oh, and for babies, barley water instead of breast milk.
> I remember seeing a reference or two that said that was good for kids, yes. > I don't recall his saying it was better than breast milk but it's been a > while since I saw that reference.
He said that the milk of modern mothers was often "musty" due to various factors including, ironically, smoking.
> The rice and beans diet has the advantage in that it's cheap. Don't you know > that slaves of an uncaring juggernaut have to be fed cheap- and not well? > LOL!
This is something I really don't get. It's almost a concentration camp tactic of working people to death while starving them. Malnutrition is a self-defeating punishment if you want people to stick around and be productive. It really isn't impossible to feed people a balanced diet for a dollar or two a day if you buy stuff in bulk.
> > Even today, most Scientology staff members (like most other mentally > > ill people) smoke cigarettes because LRH did and said the "nicotinic > > acid" in tobacco prevents cancer.
> What I saw was that as society started encouraging people to stop smoking, I > saw less and less staff and public in cofS smoke. My opinion was that the > ratio of smokers to non smokers there was probably almost the same as it was > outside CofS and scn.
This may be true in certain areas, especially if there is turnover with new people coming in and joining staff who don't smoke. The only orgs I've seen lately are in Paris, and a lot of French people smoke anyway.
> > Just about everything he said about health was a lie.
> Well, there's the pep bulletin but it's pretty vague.
That's the one where he said, "Eat your hamburger," right?
> > Well, maybe > > there were a few borrowed half-truths about psychosomatic illness in > > Dianetics. But it was all downhill from there.
> I kind of like what he has to say about those things but they are not a > substitute for care of one's body. People in the church justify > backburnering or even just not implenting care of one's health, they're > suspicious of doctors and so on and they're prone to quack remedies like > super blue green algae (my brother in law, a non Scn'ist, but a cultie > member of The Farm commune was also into that). I do see some FZers getting > into some of that, but not as a substitute for nutrition, more as an > adjunct. I think there's too much conspiracy "what the medical establishment > is hiding from you" think amongst all sorts of Scn'ists, church and FZ > alike, personally.
>>>> Write and publish a diet book for Scientologists and ex-Scientologists >>>> based upon your knowledge and experience of how Scientology encourages >>>> obesity and how to not fall into the trap and how to get out of the >>>> trap >>>> if you've already fallen into it.
>>>> You could embellish it with several "undoing's" of Scientology tech and >>>> doings.
>>>> Diet books sell like crazy.
>>> hmmmmmmmm....I just may. Thanks.
>>> T
>> Need any help, let me know. What you'd have over all those others is >> you're funny and can laugh at it all.
> Ok, I'm letting you know: How do I get in touch with you? > You've got my number. Let me know yours, ok? You can e-mail > it to me, if ya want to keep it private. mago...@charter.net > Thanks, Tory/Magoo
On Nov 7, 1:11 pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>> Diet books sell like crazy.
> >>> hmmmmmmmm....I just may. Thanks.
> >>> T
> >> Need any help, let me know. What you'd have over all those others is > >> you're funny and can laugh at it all. > omg - do it!
I think Tory's whole story would be interesting. Her mother sounds like a wonderful character and with her father being the pro football player. I'm not sure how a whole diet book by an ex-Scientologist would do, but one chapter could make for a colorful title:
How Scientology made me fat
and other stories from inside the cult
by ex-Scientologist Tory Magoo (or whatever)
My advice to Tory would be to write your life's story in detail, but only if you feel compelled to do so. Do it, not being overly conscious of the style or finished product. Have some people like Mark Bunker read it and make suggestions if you want. When done with the manuscript, try to find someone in publishing, who doesn't know you or much about Scientology, to access its marketability.
If it shows promise, find an editor who was NOT a Scientologist, unless you want your book only to be read by former Scientologists. Also someone who doesn't know much about Scientology could help you find a wider market for the book.
Your experience is much more exciting than Anne Frank's. She was stuck in an attic with her family for three years. Yet, her diary became the most famous story of a victim of the Holocaust. However, Anne's writing was extraordinary, and it was very personal. It was Anne's honesty, her fearlessness in writing her true feelings and thoughts, complete with her vulnerabilities and fears which made her diary great. Of course, part of it was, she thought it was her personal diary. It completely lacked self-consciousness. A lot of Scientologists seem so busy with Scientology, they lack the time to write diaries. They'd have to fear being sec checked for the things they wrote.
If it turns out that your book is problematic in style, but you are told it is full of interesting stories, float it before some ghost writers. Someone who writes well, and has a great sense of humor, like Tony Ortega, could bring out your story's potential. If someone in publishing thinks it has real potential, they may even float it before a famous writer of biographies.
Also, if you chose to go the web publishing route, you have a following (fans) already on YOUTUBE, to get a good start. I saw you on the video with Barb, and you are probably not lacking for people you can ask about these things.
Having a screen writer do your story would be a possibility too, since you are right there, although I think Paulette Cooper story's is the one with the most potential to be made into a great movie, and the one I most would like to see. It is a nicely contained story compared to something like THE PROFIT, which was just biting off too much.
Do I think you MUST do this. No! You do enough with what you do already. Plus, from my reading of hundreds of stories, I feel that many ex-Scientologists feel kind of raw or violated from the experience, and they don't really want to write in the revealing and very personal way that could make a book really great. You've opened up quite a bit, more than all but a few.
That's why writers find it easier to write novels, because you can write personally, intimately, without having it be YOUR experiences specifically.
Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 7, 1:11 pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >>>> Diet books sell like crazy.
> > >>> hmmmmmmmm....I just may. Thanks.
> > >>> T
> > >> Need any help, let me know. What you'd have over all those others is > > >> you're funny and can laugh at it all.
> > omg - do it!
> I think Tory's whole story would be interesting. Her mother sounds > like a wonderful character and with her father being the pro football > player. I'm not sure how a whole diet book by an ex-Scientologist > would do, but one chapter could make for a colorful title:
> How Scientology made me fat
> and other stories from inside the cult
> by ex-Scientologist Tory Magoo (or whatever)
> My advice to Tory would be to write your life's story in detail, but > only if you feel compelled to do so. Do it, not being overly conscious > of the style or finished product. Have some people like Mark Bunker > read it and make suggestions if you want. When done with the > manuscript, try to find someone in publishing, who doesn't know you or > much about Scientology, to access its marketability.
> If it shows promise, find an editor who was NOT a Scientologist, > unless you want your book only to be read by former Scientologists. > Also someone who doesn't know much about Scientology could help you > find a wider market for the book.
> Your experience is much more exciting than Anne Frank's. She was stuck > in an attic with her family for three years. Yet, her diary became the > most famous story of a victim of the Holocaust. However, Anne's > writing was extraordinary, and it was very personal. It was Anne's > honesty, her fearlessness in writing her true feelings and thoughts, > complete with her vulnerabilities and fears which made her diary > great. Of course, part of it was, she thought it was her personal > diary. It completely lacked self-consciousness. A lot of > Scientologists seem so busy with Scientology, they lack the time to > write diaries. They'd have to fear being sec checked for the things > they wrote.
> If it turns out that your book is problematic in style, but you are > told it is full of interesting stories, float it before some ghost > writers. Someone who writes well, and has a great sense of humor, > like Tony Ortega, could bring out your story's potential. If someone > in publishing thinks it has real potential, they may even float it > before a famous writer of biographies.
> Also, if you chose to go the web publishing route, you have a > following (fans) already on YOUTUBE, to get a good start. I saw you on > the video with Barb, and you are probably not lacking for people you > can ask about these things.
> Having a screen writer do your story would be a possibility too, since > you are right there, although I think Paulette Cooper story's is the > one with the most potential to be made into a great movie, and the one > I most would like to see. It is a nicely contained story compared to > something like THE PROFIT, which was just biting off too much.
> Do I think you MUST do this. No! You do enough with what you do > already. Plus, from my reading of hundreds of stories, I feel that > many ex-Scientologists feel kind of raw or violated from the > experience, and they don't really want to write in the revealing and > very personal way that could make a book really great. You've opened > up quite a bit, more than all but a few.
> That's why writers find it easier to write novels, because you can > write personally, intimately, without having it be YOUR experiences > specifically.
That's a boatload of bad convoluted "advice." Tory already knows "someone in publishing" who had several dozen books published. Most of the time screenwriters don't know crap about books if they've only written scripts. She doesn't need a ghost writer, just a pro, and she's got one.
> He said that the milk of modern mothers was often "musty" due to > various factors including, ironically, smoking.
Did he? Wow. Jesus, that's just stupid.
> > The rice and beans diet has the advantage in that it's cheap. Don't you > > know > > that slaves of an uncaring juggernaut have to be fed cheap- and not > > well? > > LOL! >This is something I really don't get. It's almost a concentration camp > tactic of working people to death while starving them. Malnutrition is > a self-defeating punishment if you want people to stick around and be > productive. It really isn't impossible to feed people a balanced diet > for a dollar or two a day if you buy stuff in bulk.
It is- a concentration camp tactic, I mean. But they're (if one wants to use Scnese) dramatizing being slave holders. The cult is not rational, LRH wasn't rational about staff- if you read the staff policies about how they shouldn't make much money and freeloader debts and billion year contracts and the RPF- well, those things are crazy as shit. And DM- well, what a fucking madman. So they weren't and aren't rational on treatment of staff.
I've been doing just a bit of reading about cults and this appears to be rather common. They starve people or maybe sometimes they don't but they enslave them, they deny them all sorts of things that free people have. When people take power over other people where it's some kind of ideological thing where the one guy is supposed to be better and wiser than the disciples, etc, then abuses kick in and since the thought is father to the deed, that is preceded by abusive thinking.
When you get people who are really into controlling others then it usually devolves into taking charge of their basic needs and sometimes denying them just because they can do so.
I'm sure you've done plenty of reading on this stuff yourself- you're a sharp cookie and I doubt very much that I'm telling you anything you don't already know. It's just fun to bat this topic around a bit and to muse on the mechanics of this phenom.
> > Just about everything he said about health was a lie.
> > Well, there's the pep bulletin but it's pretty vague. > That's the one where he said, "Eat your hamburger," right?
> > Have you ever asked yourself that? > > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> Who's Kristy Alley?
> C
Kirstey Alley's real name is Claire Swasey ... and you are stupid if are reading this ....
Ah and if you are getting all cocky and pumped up ... all mad at my posts .... Go see a shrink ... may be the Free Zone sex madam will do . ( the head mistress )
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