Have you ever asked yourself that? Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this area. Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from live experience re this!
I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it all back.
Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either time.
The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of weight. Why? A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to eat healthily which is huge for me).
D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and realizing I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology was *not* going to help me in this area.
If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! It's your health--not theirs.
-- Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me a "Suppressive Person" & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) Free at LAST! www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know) www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos) www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS) www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia) www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 or Type in Scientology in Google (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
On his blog, I confronted Geir Isene with the obvious question that if cigarette smoking is highly addictive because of nicotine, and delivers all these other toxins to the body, why is that Hubbard never banned it. Could it be because he was a chain smoker, an addict himself? Also, the problem in the 60's, with so many Scilon kids starting smoking in their very early teens or even younger, because Hubbard thought smoking rid the body of radiation and prevented cancer. Was that Scientology helping?
Geir countered with: "Many foods are addictive too." (His clack applauds wildly at the great wisdom of the OTVIII)
You have to have taken Xenu into your heart, to understand that response I guess. My guess is that when you are a Scilon for decades, whether in or out of the cult, some members lose their ability to reason rationally about cult teaching.
So, anything Hubbard did in public, like smoke, or gain weight, or die at 72 is just great! And there's nothing Scientology can do to fix it. Things Hubbard did in private, like pop pills, wear glasses, babble incoherently, drive his own son to suicide at age 22, have a stroke near the end...just don't address these things because they don't exist "officially."
I do think Kirstie should be confronted by fans or an interviewer, that if Scientology was so powerful at helping her break a bad drug addiction, how is it it can't help her with her weight? Not one of these "tools" or "super powers" is good for weight? It was one of the first ironies that struck me when I began reading about Scientology for the first time about two years ago. Cures blindness, arthritis, homosexuality, drug addiction, criminality, shyness...but nada for weight loss.
Why didn't some incident in this life or a past life cause you to gain weight in this one, since it apparently cause everything else?
Also, I had a psychiatrist friend at one time whose speciality was hypnosis. He did mainly smoking cessation and weight loss. He didn't use drugs for either, just did it with hypnosis.
My theory is that it would just expose the scam. People desperately trying to get thin, with bogus Scilon mumbo jumbo, but gaining weight, wouldn't even be able to pretend they are getting better, like you can do with so many other things. Anyone, for example, can step down their glasses, a half power at a time, and pretend their eyesight is getting better. It may even work with some people for some correction, but not because of Scientology.
On Nov 4, 2:02 pm, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> Have you ever asked yourself that? > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > area. > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > live experience re this!
> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > all back.
> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > time.
> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > weight. Why? > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other self-improvement > books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a little of their > food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to eat healthily > which is huge for me).
> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and realizing > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology was > *not* going to help me in this area.
> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > It's your health--not theirs.
> -- > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me > a "Suppressive Person" > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) > Free at LAST!www.xenu.net(What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)www.xenutv.com(Excellent videos)www.torymagoo.org(My writings about Scientology from ARS)www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm(Top Secret Int Mafia)www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 > or Type in Scientology in Google > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
> mago...@charter.net > Burbank, CA > (818) 588-3044
> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve > nor will he ever receive either". > Benjamin Franklin
"Astrid" <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:473cb937-c227-414e-a59b-13100a8099c1@x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com... On his blog, I confronted Geir Isene with the obvious question that if cigarette smoking is highly addictive because of nicotine, and delivers all these other toxins to the body, why is that Hubbard never banned it. Could it be because he was a chain smoker, an addict himself?
Errr..........the elephant in the room screams "YES!"
Also, the problem in the 60's, with so many Scilon kids starting smoking in their very early teens or even younger, because Hubbard thought smoking rid the body of radiation and prevented cancer. Was that Scientology helping? Again, to those "in", their own delusions shall make it all "ok", no matter what.
Geir countered with: "Many foods are addictive too." (His clack applauds wildly at the great wisdom of the OTVIII) The typical brush off, when facts are presented.
You have to have taken Xenu into your heart, to understand that response I guess.
No, no---delusion within C of $ begins *way* before Xenu. Most of the Sea Org never even make it to "Clear", yet they stay, they go along with the hype, as do so many below "OT". It's the dream, and the peer pressure that *it IS True", combined with the subtle mind control no one wants to face.
My guess is that when you are a Scilon for decades, whether in or out of the cult, some members lose their ability to reason rationally about cult teaching. Totally true. Most never even learn about cults or critical thinking- they're so positive what they're doing is THE BEST.
So, anything Hubbard did in public, like smoke, or gain weight, or die at 72 is just great!
Of course! We were told, at his announcement of death, he had to "Drop his body" so he could "Move to higher places to do the research he needed re higher OT levels". Sounds nuts to most people. We needed to believe it, OR face he was FOS.
And there's nothing Scientology can do to fix it. Sure they can! They can promote more, get more "Opinion Leaders" "In", make sure more groups are using Hubbard's crap, get more "Celebrities" using Hubbard's "tech". ALL of that is proof Scientology is "Fixed" and doing great. ((And if you believe that, I have some excellent swamp land at superb prices)) :)
Things Hubbard did in private, like pop pills, wear glasses, babble incoherently, drive his own son to suicide at age 22, have a stroke near the end...just don't address these things because they don't exist "officially."
True. I never knew Hubbard popped pills until I left, and believe me, I was pissed when I learned that. Re his babbling, it took me 30 years to finally get that is all that was. Somehow I kept believing it was just *me* that wasn't getting the deep significance of what he was pitching.
(*To those never "in": I know, easy to say, "What an idiot"...but you weren't there, you weren't in the game, and as my Dad, a Football Broadcaster and Hall of Fame Quarterback used to say, "Tory, Monday Morning Quarterbacks are a dime a dozen".)
Quinten, that was quietly passed around as "Suicide". Stroke? Again, all concerning Hubbard's secret death, few people knew about.
I do think Kirstie should be confronted by fans or an interviewer, that if Scientology was so powerful at helping her break a bad drug addiction, how is it it can't help her with her weight? Not one of these "tools" or "super powers" is good for weight? It was one of the first ironies that struck me when I began reading about Scientology for the first time about two years ago. Cures blindness, arthritis, homosexuality, drug addiction, criminality, shyness...but nada for weight loss.
I agree...............have the fans ask her!
Why didn't some incident in this life or a past life cause you to gain weight in this one, since it apparently cause everything else? Well, some people very well may use that as an excuse for why Scientology *will* help them. The truth is, it doesn't: AT ALL.
Also, I had a psychiatrist friend at one time whose speciality was hypnosis. He did mainly smoking cessation and weight loss. He didn't use drugs for either, just did it with hypnosis. Of course Scios being totally anti-psychs that wouldn't do.
My theory is that it would just expose the scam. People desperately trying to get thin, with bogus Scilon mumbo jumbo, but gaining weight, wouldn't even be able to pretend they are getting better, like you can do with so many other things. Anyone, for example, can step down their glasses, a half power at a time, and pretend their eyesight is getting better. It may even work with some people for some correction, but not because of Scientology.
Exactly....which is why I made this post, thank you :)
My best to you,
Tory/Magoo
On Nov 4, 2:02 pm, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> Have you ever asked yourself that? > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > area. > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > live experience re this!
> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > all back.
> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > time.
> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > weight. Why? > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other > self-improvement > books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a little of their > food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to eat healthily > which is huge for me).
> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and > realizing > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology > was > *not* going to help me in this area.
> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > It's your health--not theirs.
> -- > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me > a "Suppressive Person" > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) > Free at LAST!www.xenu.net(What Scientology Doesn't want you to > know)www.xenutv.com(Excellent videos)www.torymagoo.org(My writings about > Scientology from ARS)www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm(Top Secret Int > Mafia)www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 > or Type in Scientology in Google > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
> mago...@charter.net > Burbank, CA > (818) 588-3044
> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve > nor will he ever receive either". > Benjamin Franklin
<mago...@charter.net> wrote: > Have you ever asked yourself that? > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > area. > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > live experience re this!
> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > all back.
> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > time.
> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > weight. Why? > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other self-improvement > books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a little of their > food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to eat healthily > which is huge for me).
> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and realizing > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology was > *not* going to help me in this area.
> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > It's your health--not theirs.
> Have you ever asked yourself that? > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > area. > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > live experience re this!
> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > all back.
> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > time.
> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > weight. Why? > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other > self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a > little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to > eat healthily which is huge for me).
> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and > realizing > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology > was > *not* going to help me in this area.
> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > It's your health--not theirs.
I've some theory (non-scientific for sure, but well, we speak of scientology)... People get often fatter on OT levels, from OTIII particularly, because they spend a lot of energy trying to do something that does not run at all: so, they lose not only their control on their minds, but on the body, and since they feel very tired in some cases, they eat and eat; since most of them have been sucked of their money, they eat anything they could find at low price, and get fatty.
> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> a écrit dans le message de news: > NZlIm.6562$Yy6....@newsfe02.iad...
> > Have you ever asked yourself that? > > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> > Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > > area. > > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > > live experience re this!
> > I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> > What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> > Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > > all back.
> > Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > > time.
> > The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > > weight. Why? > > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> > B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> > C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other > > self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a > > little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to > > eat healthily which is huge for me).
> > D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and > > realizing > > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology > > was > > *not* going to help me in this area.
> > If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > > It's your health--not theirs.
> I've some theory (non-scientific for sure, but well, we speak of > scientology)... > People get often fatter on OT levels, from OTIII particularly, because they > spend a lot of energy trying to do something that does not run at all: so, > they lose not only their control on their minds, but on the body, and since > they feel very tired in some cases, they eat and eat; since most of them > have been sucked of their money, they eat anything they could find at low > price, and get fatty.- Hide quoted text -
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This is true ( and funny). Burt the issue with Kirstie, as I see it, is that she was once a dri=ug addict and did Narconon, which does not teach people how to control their addictions and use support systems to help keep you on track ( NA or AA or whatever) To me, Kirstie never got over he addictive personality and it probably got worse while on the OT levels.
Out_Of_The_Dark <formerlyfoo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 4, 10:02 pm, "xenufrance" <xenufra...@free.fr> wrote: > > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> a écrit dans le message de news: > > NZlIm.6562$Yy6....@newsfe02.iad...
> > > Have you ever asked yourself that? > > > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > > > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> > > Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > > > area. > > > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > > > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > > > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > > > live experience re this!
> > > I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > > > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > > > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> > > What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> > > Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > > > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > > > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > > > all back.
> > > Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > > > time.
> > > The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > > > weight. Why? > > > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> > > B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > > > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > > > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> > > C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > > > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > > > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > > > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other > > > self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a > > > little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to > > > eat healthily which is huge for me).
> > > D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > > > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and > > > realizing > > > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology > > > was > > > *not* going to help me in this area.
> > > If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > > > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > > > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > > > It's your health--not theirs.
> > I've some theory (non-scientific for sure, but well, we speak of > > scientology)... > > People get often fatter on OT levels, from OTIII particularly, because they > > spend a lot of energy trying to do something that does not run at all: so, > > they lose not only their control on their minds, but on the body, and since > > they feel very tired in some cases, they eat and eat; since most of them > > have been sucked of their money, they eat anything they could find at low > > price, and get fatty.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> This is true ( and funny). Burt the issue with Kirstie, as I see it, > is that she was once a dri=ug addict and did Narconon, which does not > teach people how to control their addictions and use support systems > to help keep you on track ( NA or AA or whatever) To me, Kirstie > never got over he addictive personality and it probably got worse > while on the OT levels.
When I met Kirstie at Mimi Rogers house in the Valley, right after she got here in town, long before she got into acting, she was thin, wiry, full of fire and drop-dead gorgeous.
Of course, she and her former boyfriend back in Wichita had spent $100,000 the year before on cocaine.
> Have you ever asked yourself that? > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message > news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... >> Have you ever asked yourself that? >> Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, >> as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> On his blog, I confronted Geir Isene with the obvious question that if > cigarette smoking is highly addictive because of nicotine, and > delivers all these other toxins to the body, why is that Hubbard never > banned it. Could it be because he was a chain smoker, an addict > himself? Also, the problem in the 60's, with so many Scilon kids > starting smoking in their very early teens or even younger, because > Hubbard thought smoking rid the body of radiation and prevented > cancer. Was that Scientology helping?
> Geir countered with: "Many foods are addictive too." (His clack > applauds wildly at the great wisdom of the OTVIII)
> You have to have taken Xenu into your heart, to understand that > response I guess. My guess is that when you are a Scilon for decades, > whether in or out of the cult, some members lose their ability to > reason rationally about cult teaching.
> So, anything Hubbard did in public, like smoke, or gain weight, or die > at 72 is just great! And there's nothing Scientology can do to fix it. > Things Hubbard did in private, like pop pills, wear glasses, babble > incoherently, drive his own son to suicide at age 22, have a stroke > near the end...just don't address these things because they don't > exist "officially."
> I do think Kirstie should be confronted by fans or an interviewer, > that if Scientology was so powerful at helping her break a bad drug > addiction, how is it it can't help her with her weight? Not one of > these "tools" or "super powers" is good for weight? It was one of the > first ironies that struck me when I began reading about Scientology > for the first time about two years ago. Cures blindness, arthritis, > homosexuality, drug addiction, criminality, shyness...but nada for > weight loss.*
She was doing cocaine as I recall -- the classy kind that's snorted, not crack. That drug has a lower potential for addiction than nicotine, as do alcohol and heroin. See this article: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199409/kicking-butts
Weight gain is another thing, Some people may crave certain foods, but even if they cut down on calories and get more exercise, it may take a long time to lose much weight. You can't just stop eating cold turkey except for a limited period of time (like a 10-day fast).
> Why didn't some incident in this life or a past life cause you to gain > weight in this one, since it apparently cause everything else?
Or maybe the body thetans really hide in fat cells and energize them instead of leaving? Just look at Pierre Ethier, Class XII. I'd be surprised if he doesn't croak soon, considering his seriously obesity. He ordinarily hides behind his auditor cert and a row of tech volumes, but in this case some freezoners videotaped him sitting on a sturdy chair. http://www.freezoneauditors.org/home/blog/pierre-ethier-gave-a-talk/
> Also, I had a psychiatrist friend at one time whose speciality was > hypnosis. He did mainly smoking cessation and weight loss. He didn't > use drugs for either, just did it with hypnosis.
> My theory is that it would just expose the scam. People desperately > trying to get thin, with bogus Scilon mumbo jumbo, but gaining weight, > wouldn't even be able to pretend they are getting better, like you can > do with so many other things. Anyone, for example, can step down their > glasses, a half power at a time, and pretend their eyesight is getting > better. It may even work with some people for some correction, but not > because of Scientology.
> On Nov 4, 2:02 pm, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> > Have you ever asked yourself that? > > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> > Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > > area. > > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > > live experience re this!
> > I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> > What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> > Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > > all back.
> > Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > > time.
> > The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > > weight. Why? > > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> > B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> > C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other self-improvement > > books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a little of their > > food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to eat healthily > > which is huge for me).
> > D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and realizing > > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology was > > *not* going to help me in this area.
> > If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > > It's your health--not theirs.
> > -- > > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ > > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! > > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer > > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me > > a "Suppressive Person" > > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) > > Free at LAST!www.xenu.net(WhatScientology Doesn't want you to know)www.xenutv.com(Excellentvideos)www.torymagoo.org(My writings about Scientology from ARS)www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm(TopSecret Int Mafia)www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 > > or Type in Scientology in Google > > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
Pierre should open his own Hubbard Tech weight loss center. If Hubbard pretended he was a "nuclear physicist" and held a doctorate, it shouldn't be that much of a stretch for Pierre to sell all the OT control he knows to help OTHERS lose weight.
I think the concept of OT series makes you fat, has some merit though. And everyone wants to be fat, right?
I guess the only TECH Hubbard had for weight loss was to smoke 4 packs a day.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:02:34 -0800, Magoo <mago...@charter.net> wrote in <NZlIm.6562$Yy6....@newsfe02.iad>: | Have you ever asked yourself that? | Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, | as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
| Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this | area.
what about auditing? according to hubbard, bt's weigh 1.5-2 oz so getting them to blow should take care of any weight problem. maybe kirstie has been slacking off with her scn services.
otoh, maybe she's just a serious thinker, because hubbard also said that thoughts have mass. a person can vary their weight by mocking up mental image pictures or casting them away. maybe kirstie gained back all that weight because she didn't like being stoopid.
In article <f4GdnT92K8cD-2_XnZ2dnUVZ_qidn...@posted.internetamerica>,
Voltaire's Child <Voltaires_Ch...@ymail.com> wrote: > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message > news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... > > Have you ever asked yourself that? > > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> Who's Kristy Alley?
> C
Actually, that's Krispy Alley - it's where Kirstie buys all her food.
On Nov 5, 5:39 pm, Skipper <skipSPAMpr...@yahoo.not> wrote:
> In article <f4GdnT92K8cD-2_XnZ2dnUVZ_qidn...@posted.internetamerica>,
> Voltaire's Child <Voltaires_Ch...@ymail.com> wrote: > > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message > >news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... > > > Have you ever asked yourself that? > > > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > > > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> > Who's Kristy Alley?
> > C
> Actually, that's Krispy Alley - it's where Kirstie buys all her food.
Now, that's kind of funny. Come to think of it, there might be a market for a fast food place that fries everything in lard or bacon grease.
> Have you ever asked yourself that? > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > area. > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > live experience re this!
> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > all back.
> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > time.
> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > weight. Why? > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other > self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a > little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to > eat healthily which is huge for me).
> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and > realizing > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology > was > *not* going to help me in this area.
> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > It's your health--not theirs.
> -- > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me > a "Suppressive Person" > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) > Free at LAST! > www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know) > www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos) > www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS) > www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia) > www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 > or Type in Scientology in Google > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
> mago...@charter.net > Burbank, CA > (818) 588-3044
> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve > nor will he ever receive either". > Benjamin Franklin
The only *TOOL* anybody needs to lose weight is understanding one simple fact and acting upon this fact.
1) to lose weight one must expend more calories than one ingests.
Duh! It doesn't take a rocket scientist - just some will power to cut down on the calories and increase the exercise until you end up with a net negative of around 1,000 calories a day. If you do this you will lose about two pounds per week each and every week.
How do you calculate calories expended?
Purchase a heart rate monitor that counts calories burned and program your vital statistics into it. Wear it 24/7 and keep upping your exercise or lowering the number of calories you eat until you end up with a net deficit of about 1,000 calories a day. The good news is the fatter you are when you start out the easier it is to arrive at a negative 1,000 calories.
For example, I rode my bicycle this morning hard for three hours (60 miles) as I do five or six days per week. My heart rate monitor says I burned about 3,800 calories. This means I can eat 2,800 calories and lose two pounds per week. But, I don't need to lose weight at this time being in the ideal range so that means I can eat about 5,800 calories today and every day I ride since my body, doing nothing, burns about 2,000 per day.
I hope this helps. I guess this works for me and not for other people because not only am I uncommonly intelligent but I have will power to match. I don't abuse my body by being obese any more than I would abuse my mind doing drugs and alcohol - or Scientology for that matter.
> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message > news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... >> Have you ever asked yourself that? >> Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, >> as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
>> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this >> area. >> Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is >> now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then >> why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from >> live experience re this!
>> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing >> by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to >> "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
>> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
>> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin >> to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. >> Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it >> all back.
>> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either >> time.
>> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of >> weight. Why? >> A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
>> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, >> that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that >> much, but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
>> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they >> have >> "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I >> knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. >> I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other >> self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat >> a little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how >> to eat healthily which is huge for me).
>> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" >> and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and >> realizing >> I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology >> was >> *not* going to help me in this area.
>> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will >> help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always >> were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take >> action! It's your health--not theirs.
>> -- >> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ >> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! >> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer >> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me >> a "Suppressive Person" >> & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) >> Free at LAST! >> www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know) >> www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos) >> www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS) >> www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia) >> www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 >> or Type in Scientology in Google >> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>> mago...@charter.net >> Burbank, CA >> (818) 588-3044
>> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve >> nor will he ever receive either". >> Benjamin Franklin
> The only *TOOL* anybody needs to lose weight is understanding one simple > fact and acting upon this fact.
> 1) to lose weight one must expend more calories than one ingests.
> Duh! It doesn't take a rocket scientist - just some will power to cut down > on the calories and increase the exercise until you end up with a net > negative of around 1,000 calories a day. If you do this you will lose > about two pounds per week each and every week.
> How do you calculate calories expended?
> Purchase a heart rate monitor that counts calories burned and program your > vital statistics into it. Wear it 24/7 and keep upping your exercise or > lowering the number of calories you eat until you end up with a net > deficit of about 1,000 calories a day. The good news is the fatter you are > when you start out the easier it is to arrive at a negative 1,000 > calories.
> For example, I rode my bicycle this morning hard for three hours (60 > miles) as I do five or six days per week. My heart rate monitor says I > burned about 3,800 calories. This means I can eat 2,800 calories and lose > two pounds per week. But, I don't need to lose weight at this time being > in the ideal range so that means I can eat about 5,800 calories today and > every day I ride since my body, doing nothing, burns about 2,000 per day.
> I hope this helps. I guess this works for me and not for other people > because not only am I uncommonly intelligent but I have will power to > match. I don't abuse my body by being obese any more than I would abuse my > mind doing drugs and alcohol - or Scientology for that matter.
> -- > Gregory Hall
K I A....always nice to hear you all expound on your greatness.
Can't figure out K I A? Why not? Too busy telling everyone what you KNOW (aka: Know it all).
If I had a dollar for people like yourself, I could have retired years ago. Your "knowledge" helps no one......except you thinking you're better than most, which you just proved you are not.
Keep riding and don't be trying to read that Dianetics book while you do! :)
> "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote in message > news:38rvvf.4t0.19.1@news.alt.net... >> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message >> news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... >>> Have you ever asked yourself that? >>> Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, >>> as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
>>> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this >>> area. >>> Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is >>> now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then >>> why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from >>> live experience re this!
>>> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing >>> by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to >>> "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
>>> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
>>> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin >>> to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. >>> Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it >>> all back.
>>> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either >>> time.
>>> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of >>> weight. Why? >>> A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
>>> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, >>> that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that >>> much, but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
>>> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they >>> have >>> "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I >>> knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. >>> I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other >>> self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat >>> a little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how >>> to eat healthily which is huge for me).
>>> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" >>> and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and >>> realizing >>> I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology >>> was >>> *not* going to help me in this area.
>>> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will >>> help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always >>> were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take >>> action! It's your health--not theirs.
>>> -- >>> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ >>> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! >>> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer >>> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me >>> a "Suppressive Person" >>> & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) >>> Free at LAST! >>> www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know) >>> www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos) >>> www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS) >>> www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia) >>> www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 >>> or Type in Scientology in Google >>> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>>> mago...@charter.net >>> Burbank, CA >>> (818) 588-3044
>>> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve >>> nor will he ever receive either". >>> Benjamin Franklin
>> The only *TOOL* anybody needs to lose weight is understanding one simple >> fact and acting upon this fact.
>> 1) to lose weight one must expend more calories than one ingests.
>> Duh! It doesn't take a rocket scientist - just some will power to cut >> down on the calories and increase the exercise until you end up with a >> net negative of around 1,000 calories a day. If you do this you will lose >> about two pounds per week each and every week.
>> How do you calculate calories expended?
>> Purchase a heart rate monitor that counts calories burned and program >> your vital statistics into it. Wear it 24/7 and keep upping your exercise >> or lowering the number of calories you eat until you end up with a net >> deficit of about 1,000 calories a day. The good news is the fatter you >> are when you start out the easier it is to arrive at a negative 1,000 >> calories.
>> For example, I rode my bicycle this morning hard for three hours (60 >> miles) as I do five or six days per week. My heart rate monitor says I >> burned about 3,800 calories. This means I can eat 2,800 calories and lose >> two pounds per week. But, I don't need to lose weight at this time being >> in the ideal range so that means I can eat about 5,800 calories today and >> every day I ride since my body, doing nothing, burns about 2,000 per day.
>> I hope this helps. I guess this works for me and not for other people >> because not only am I uncommonly intelligent but I have will power to >> match. I don't abuse my body by being obese any more than I would abuse >> my mind doing drugs and alcohol - or Scientology for that matter.
>> -- >> Gregory Hall
> K I A....always nice to hear you all expound on your greatness.
> Can't figure out K I A? Why not? Too busy telling everyone what you > KNOW (aka: Know it all).
> If I had a dollar for people like yourself, I could have retired years > ago. Your "knowledge" helps no one......except you thinking you're better > than most, which you just proved you are not.
> Keep riding and don't be trying to read that Dianetics book > while you do! :)
> TLC
Knowing everything also means knowing where to find something you might not know. Or it might mean knowing how to extrapolate it from known premises. I was always a stickler for not cluttering my mind with memorized bits and pieces. I always have insisted upon learning how to derive facts and figures using formulas and basic logic.
So, in lieu of knowing all acronyms I simply employ an acronym finder:
Now, please note how it also means Killed In Action. So, tell me Magoo, who's more intelligent? Somebody like you who memorizes a bunch of crap or somebody like me who knows where to find it or how to extrapolate it?
P.S. Congrats on your weight loss. Nobody will ever say it's easy. -- Gregory Hall
<mago...@charter.net> wrote: > "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote in message > news:38rvvf.4t0.19.1@news.alt.net... > > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message > > news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... > >> Have you ever asked yourself that? > >> Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > >> as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> >> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > >> area. > >> Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > >> now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > >> why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > >> live experience re this!
> >> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > >> by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > >> "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> >> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> >> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > >> to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > >> Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > >> all back.
> >> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > >> time.
> >> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > >> weight. Why? > >> A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> >> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > >> that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that > >> much, but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> >> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they > >> have > >> "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > >> knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > >> I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other > >> self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat > >> a little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how > >> to eat healthily which is huge for me).
> >> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > >> and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and > >> realizing > >> I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology > >> was > >> *not* going to help me in this area.
> >> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > >> help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > >> were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take > >> action! It's your health--not theirs.
> >> -- > >> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ > >> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! > >> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer > >> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me > >> a "Suppressive Person" > >> & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) > >> Free at LAST! > >> www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know) > >> www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos) > >> www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS) > >> www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia) > >> www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 > >> or Type in Scientology in Google > >> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
> >> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve > >> nor will he ever receive either". > >> Benjamin Franklin
> > The only *TOOL* anybody needs to lose weight is understanding one simple > > fact and acting upon this fact.
> > 1) to lose weight one must expend more calories than one ingests.
> > Duh! It doesn't take a rocket scientist - just some will power to cut down > > on the calories and increase the exercise until you end up with a net > > negative of around 1,000 calories a day. If you do this you will lose > > about two pounds per week each and every week.
> > How do you calculate calories expended?
> > Purchase a heart rate monitor that counts calories burned and program your > > vital statistics into it. Wear it 24/7 and keep upping your exercise or > > lowering the number of calories you eat until you end up with a net > > deficit of about 1,000 calories a day. The good news is the fatter you are > > when you start out the easier it is to arrive at a negative 1,000 > > calories.
> > For example, I rode my bicycle this morning hard for three hours (60 > > miles) as I do five or six days per week. My heart rate monitor says I > > burned about 3,800 calories. This means I can eat 2,800 calories and lose > > two pounds per week. But, I don't need to lose weight at this time being > > in the ideal range so that means I can eat about 5,800 calories today and > > every day I ride since my body, doing nothing, burns about 2,000 per day.
> > I hope this helps. I guess this works for me and not for other people > > because not only am I uncommonly intelligent but I have will power to > > match. I don't abuse my body by being obese any more than I would abuse my > > mind doing drugs and alcohol - or Scientology for that matter.
> > -- > > Gregory Hall
> K I A....always nice to hear you all expound on your greatness.
> Can't figure out K I A? Why not? Too busy telling everyone what you > KNOW (aka: Know it all).
> If I had a dollar for people like yourself, I could have retired years > ago. Your "knowledge" helps no one......except you thinking you're better > than most, which you just proved you are not.
> Keep riding and don't be trying to read that Dianetics book > while you do! :)
> TLC
I'd prefer he keeps reading that Dianetic$ book as he rides at full speed along the Santa Monica pier toward the ocean.
Write and publish a diet book for Scientologists and ex-Scientologists based upon your knowledge and experience of how Scientology encourages obesity and how to not fall into the trap and how to get out of the trap if you've already fallen into it.
You could embellish it with several "undoing's" of Scientology tech and doings.
> In article <f4GdnT92K8cD-2_XnZ2dnUVZ_qidn...@posted.internetamerica>, > Voltaire's Child <Voltaires_Ch...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message >> news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... >> > Have you ever asked yourself that? >> > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, >> > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
>> Who's Kristy Alley?
>> C
> Actually, that's Krispy Alley - it's where Kirstie buys all her food.
That is very funny, actually. You should hear John the Wonderhusband on the subject of OTs like Kirstie who get fat...
>> "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote in message >> news:38rvvf.4t0.19.1@news.alt.net... >>> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message >>> news:NZlIm.6562$Yy6.312@newsfe02.iad... >>>> Have you ever asked yourself that? >>>> Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, >>>> as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
>>>> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this >>>> area. >>>> Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is >>>> now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then >>>> why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from >>>> live experience re this!
>>>> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing >>>> by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to >>>> "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
>>>> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
>>>> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin >>>> to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. >>>> Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it >>>> all back.
>>>> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either >>>> time.
>>>> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of >>>> weight. Why? >>>> A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
>>>> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, >>>> that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that >>>> much, but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
>>>> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they >>>> have >>>> "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I >>>> knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. >>>> I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other >>>> self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only >>>> eat a little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me >>>> learn how to eat healthily which is huge for me).
>>>> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" >>>> and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and >>>> realizing >>>> I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing >>>> Scientology was >>>> *not* going to help me in this area.
>>>> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" >>>> will help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, >>>> always were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. >>>> Take action! It's your health--not theirs.
>>>> -- >>>> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~ >>>> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years! >>>> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer >>>> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me >>>> a "Suppressive Person" >>>> & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :) >>>> Free at LAST! >>>> www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know) >>>> www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos) >>>> www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS) >>>> www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia) >>>> www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44 >>>> or Type in Scientology in Google >>>> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>>>> mago...@charter.net >>>> Burbank, CA >>>> (818) 588-3044
>>>> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve >>>> nor will he ever receive either". >>>> Benjamin Franklin
>>> The only *TOOL* anybody needs to lose weight is understanding one simple >>> fact and acting upon this fact.
>>> 1) to lose weight one must expend more calories than one ingests.
>>> Duh! It doesn't take a rocket scientist - just some will power to cut >>> down on the calories and increase the exercise until you end up with a >>> net negative of around 1,000 calories a day. If you do this you will >>> lose about two pounds per week each and every week.
>>> How do you calculate calories expended?
>>> Purchase a heart rate monitor that counts calories burned and program >>> your vital statistics into it. Wear it 24/7 and keep upping your >>> exercise or lowering the number of calories you eat until you end up >>> with a net deficit of about 1,000 calories a day. The good news is the >>> fatter you are when you start out the easier it is to arrive at a >>> negative 1,000 calories.
>>> For example, I rode my bicycle this morning hard for three hours (60 >>> miles) as I do five or six days per week. My heart rate monitor says I >>> burned about 3,800 calories. This means I can eat 2,800 calories and >>> lose two pounds per week. But, I don't need to lose weight at this time >>> being in the ideal range so that means I can eat about 5,800 calories >>> today and every day I ride since my body, doing nothing, burns about >>> 2,000 per day.
>>> I hope this helps. I guess this works for me and not for other people >>> because not only am I uncommonly intelligent but I have will power to >>> match. I don't abuse my body by being obese any more than I would abuse >>> my mind doing drugs and alcohol - or Scientology for that matter.
>>> -- >>> Gregory Hall
>> K I A....always nice to hear you all expound on your greatness.
>> Can't figure out K I A? Why not? Too busy telling everyone what you >> KNOW (aka: Know it all).
>> If I had a dollar for people like yourself, I could have retired years >> ago. Your "knowledge" helps no one......except you thinking you're better >> than most, which you just proved you are not.
>> Keep riding and don't be trying to read that Dianetics book >> while you do! :)
>> TLC
> Knowing everything also means knowing where to find something you might > not know. Or it might mean knowing how to extrapolate it from known > premises. I was always a stickler for not cluttering my mind with > memorized bits and pieces. I always have insisted upon learning how to > derive facts and figures using formulas and basic logic.
> So, in lieu of knowing all acronyms I simply employ an acronym finder:
> Now, please note how it also means Killed In Action. So, tell me Magoo, > who's more intelligent? Somebody like you who memorizes a bunch of crap > (Such as? Specifics, please) or somebody like me who knows where to find > it or how to extrapolate it?
Well first off, this tells me you *truly* do not know me, at all. I have no idea where you're getting your "information" re me at, but anyone who knows me, at all, knows one of my worst qualities is memorization. So flunk there, dear.
Secondly, my parents taught me many years ago, anyone who has to pitch how intelligent (or great) they are, is actually far behind the norm. I'd say you fit their description, so far.
Instead of going on about how intelligent you are (when *I* lost the 87 pounds-with Weight Watchers, discipline and getting away from the endless wrong indictations of Scientology re my body).....why don't you tell us why Scientology cannot actually help people with weight issues. (and please, spare me your lecture about how obvious it all is. If this were the case, there wouldn't be SO many FAT OT's, now would there?)
> P.S. Congrats on your weight loss. Nobody will ever say it's easy.
> Write and publish a diet book for Scientologists and ex-Scientologists > based upon your knowledge and experience of how Scientology encourages > obesity and how to not fall into the trap and how to get out of the trap > if you've already fallen into it.
> You could embellish it with several "undoing's" of Scientology tech and > doings.
> Have you ever asked yourself that? > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > area. > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > live experience re this!
> I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > all back.
> Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > time.
> The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > weight. Why? > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
Yes, I remember auditors just cramming food down my gullet- well, not literally but it sure seemed like it, sometimes. I talked to other women in LA, where I was at the time, about this and about weight gain.
> C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other > self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a > little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to > eat healthily which is huge for me).
I tend to think one can do whatever one likes with Scn principles but I also know that they don't have anything weight loss specific. And people who are overweight and want to lose the weight NEED something specific, IMO. So I agree.
> D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and > realizing > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology > was > *not* going to help me in this area.
Maybe at Flag, but point of fact, those aren't other practices, they aren't esoteric disciplines and what have you. Only some fervent SO type would interpret "tech" that way.
But be that as it may, Weight Watchers and other programs have helped more people lose weight than Scn ever did.
CofS doesn't care about people's health. they care about their wallets. They really don't put much emphasis on health and working out- those things tend to take time away from post and course and so they don't encourage 'em. Overworked malnourished out of shape staff aren't going to push some program that takes people away from the mission, Org or AO. I am not counting the purif since that's mandated/required and since, even though it has exercise on it, does not get people in shape and does not in any way assist in weight lose. Tends to cause weight GAIN.
> If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > It's your health--not theirs.
I think maybe some OTs might think that postulate setting would do the trick. I don't know if that's the thought or not- it's just my speculation. But one thing I know as a Scientologist, as someone who's studying Buddhism, as a citizen of the real world- all the postulates or intentions or affirmations or decisions in the world won't do anyone any good if they are not backed up with actions. And CofS does not help with that re weight loss. I won't mention auditing because they tend to withold auditing in a bizarre carrot and stick routine. Furthermore, they expect the person to do the next step on the bridge for which they are c/s'd whether or not it's the type of auditing that may address the particular situation the person wishes to address. So no help there.
I've lost a bunch of weight, too, lately. Hasn't been too hard. I do think I set postulates but the main thing was that my actions were what caused and are continuing to cause the weight loss.
Here's a forum that's just darling. It's got sections for maintenance, dieting with obstacles, mini goals, all sorts of things. People post their pix, too. It's fun to go in and read.
> > Write and publish a diet book for Scientologists and ex-Scientologists > > based upon your knowledge and experience of how Scientology encourages > > obesity and how to not fall into the trap and how to get out of the trap > > if you've already fallen into it.
> > You could embellish it with several "undoing's" of Scientology tech and > > doings.
> > Diet books sell like crazy.
> hmmmmmmmm....I just may. Thanks.
> T
Need any help, let me know. What you'd have over all those others is you're funny and can laugh at it all.
> > Have you ever asked yourself that? > > Why is it, even when celebrities such as Kristy Alley, lose weight, > > as she did before----why is it that they NEVER mention Scientology?
> > Why? Because Scientology has zero tools to really help anyone, in this > > area. > > Oh sure, they'll say they do, and my guess is > > now Kristy will *claim* Scientology has helped her. Really? Well then > > why is she a BLIMP and "OT"? Don't get mad at me, I speak from > > live experience re this!
> > I was on "OT 7" (their second to the top level) for 7 years, weighing > > by the end 100 pounds OVER what I should. I kept asking them to > > "Please either help me re my weight, or let me off this level".
> > What did they say? "Ok Continue" (on OT 7).
> > Not until I quit OT 7, and went to Weight Watchers, did I finally begin > > to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds, and kept that off, for 5 years. > > Then I began working at a job with "Free food", and slowly gained it > > all back.
> > Now I've lost 85 pounds~ None of it was due to Scientology, either > > time.
> > The truth is, many, many people on the upper levels gain a *ton* of > > weight. Why? > > A) It doesn't work, so one tends to eat, for comfort.
> > B) You have to keep eating, to "Stay sessionable"...and on OT 7, > > that's 5 hours/day you're supposed to be "in session". (Few are that much, > > but that's how long one has to remain "Sessionable")
> Yes, I remember auditors just cramming food down my gullet- well, not > literally but it sure seemed like it, sometimes. I talked to other women in > LA, where I was at the time, about this and about weight gain.
> > C) They have no tools to really help you re losing weight. Sure, they have > > "Goal Setting", "Conditions" etc. Did they help me, or any other "OT" I > > knew? Per looking at others, not at all, and I know they didn't for me. > > I lost my weight thanks to Weight Watchers, and many other > > self-improvement books. (*and spare me the WW is a cult line* I only eat a > > little of their food, mainly snacks, and they have helped me learn how to > > eat healthily which is huge for me).
> I tend to think one can do whatever one likes with Scn principles but I also > know that they don't have anything weight loss specific. And people who are > overweight and want to lose the weight NEED something specific, IMO. So I > agree.
> > D) Things like Weight Watchers are really considered "Other practices" > > and not encouraged, at all. I just did it out of desperation, and > > realizing > > I'd never *really* learned how to eat, and finally realizing Scientology > > was > > *not* going to help me in this area.
> Maybe at Flag, but point of fact, those aren't other practices, they aren't > esoteric disciplines and what have you. Only some fervent SO type would > interpret "tech" that way.
> But be that as it may, Weight Watchers and other programs have helped more > people lose weight than Scn ever did.
> CofS doesn't care about people's health. they care about their wallets. They > really don't put much emphasis on health and working out- those things tend > to take time away from post and course and so they don't encourage 'em. > Overworked malnourished out of shape staff aren't going to push some program > that takes people away from the mission, Org or AO. I am not counting the > purif since that's mandated/required and since, even though it has exercise > on it, does not get people in shape and does not in any way assist in weight > lose. Tends to cause weight GAIN.
Hubbard pretty well projected his own situation on his health pronouncements for others.
Consider that he was a chain smoker all his adult life. That's an addiction that tends to keep weight down. Ditto for the amphetamines he used. Yet he steadily gained weight as he aged. All those rum 'n' Coke calories might have had something to do with it.
He did have a "high survival dynamic," considering how extensively he abused his body before he croaked. But I don't think he could ever confront practicing the restraint needed to achieve a healthy lifestyle. So he steered clear of any area where he couldn't exercise self-discipline himself.
Back in the 1970s, he became an admirer of Adelle Davis (one of his few attributions) and endorsed her advice that megadoses of vitamins could fix lots of ailments. That may be part of the reason so many fringe alternative health practitioners -- Naturorpaths, Kinesiologists, Chiropractors and so on -- are Scientologists. Later, he "researched" and released the bogus and potentially dangerous Purification Rundown (see the medical and pharmacy malpractice convictions in the recent French trial).
Yet for RPFers and downstat Sea Org members, he prescribed the rice 'n' beans diet, a sure prescription for malnutrition unless it includes some veggies and a salad on the side, which I strongly doubt. Oh, and for babies, barley water instead of breast milk.
Even today, most Scientology staff members (like most other mentally ill people) smoke cigarettes because LRH did and said the "nicotinic acid" in tobacco prevents cancer.
Just about everything he said about health was a lie. Well, maybe there were a few borrowed half-truths about psychosomatic illness in Dianetics. But it was all downhill from there.
> > If you're "in" Scientology, and are over weight hoping "the Bridge" will > > help you....................look around you~ Those that are thin, always > > were. Those that are huge, is "OT" Helping them? Think again. Take action! > > It's your health--not theirs.
> I think maybe some OTs might think that postulate setting would do the > trick. I don't know if that's the thought or not- it's just my speculation. > But one thing I know as a Scientologist, as someone who's studying Buddhism, > as a citizen of the real world- all the postulates or intentions or > affirmations or decisions in the world won't do anyone any good if they are > not backed up with actions. And CofS does not help with that re weight loss. > I won't mention auditing because they tend to withold auditing in a bizarre > carrot and stick routine. Furthermore, they expect the person to do the next > step on the bridge for which they are c/s'd whether or not it's the type of > auditing that may address the particular situation the person wishes to > address. So no help there.
> I've lost a bunch of weight, too, lately. Hasn't been too hard. I do think I > set postulates but the main thing was that my actions were what caused and > are continuing to cause the weight loss.
> Here's a forum that's just darling. It's got sections for maintenance, > dieting with obstacles, mini goals, all sorts of things. People post their > pix, too. It's fun to go in and read.
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